1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,600 The following tape contains a description of an encounter with the UFO as experienced 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:13,280 by three women in Kentucky on January 6, 1976. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:22,600 The three women were Mona Stafford, age 35, Louise Smith, 44, and Elaine Thomas, 54. 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,160 The three women's getting together that day was completely unplanned. 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,240 But when they were doing this together, they discovered it was Mona's birthday. 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,600 So they decided about 9.15 to go for a late supper at the Redwood restaurant. 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,880 They got there about 10 p.m. 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,720 All three ladies brought their sketch pads with them because they wanted to sketch a 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,760 painting that was hanging on the wall. 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,640 A customer asked Louise to sketch him, and she did. 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,840 Then Louise noticed it was 11.15 and she had to go to work early the next morning. 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,280 So they paid their checks and left. 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,560 The three women left the restaurant in Louise Smith's 1967 Chevy Nova. 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,800 They began their 40-minute drive to Liberty about 29 to 30 miles away. 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,440 The ladies drove through the countryside heading from Stanford to Houstonville. 16 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,760 They had turned from Highway 27 and were traveling on Highway 78. 17 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,040 They had just passed the Davis Drive-In Theater and were continuing along the 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,680 country road when Mona yelled, speed up, look, look, it's going to crash. 19 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,400 Mona and Louise thought the ball of fire was a jet airliner about to crash. 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,400 They wanted to help if there were any survivors. 21 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,360 When they looked up, it kept getting larger and larger and larger. 22 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,920 It came down at such a speed that nothing could have stopped. 23 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,920 Nothing but it did. 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Then it just swayed, like something real lightweight that seemed to just float in 25 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,400 the air. 26 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,200 After swaying in one spot, it turned at an angle from the driver's left front to 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,600 left side and behind car. 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,640 This is the women's description of the UFO as I saw it on the night of January 6th. 29 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,040 And as I remembered it before, there was no secession. 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,120 Elaine was the last of the women to see the object. 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,440 And don't forget that Elaine throughout the entire experience seemed to have a 32 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:19,200 different perception as did the other women, everything that happened. 33 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,840 This is the object as Mona saw it. 34 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,280 She described it as big as a house, saucer shaped with the dome on top, red 35 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,280 lights rotating around it, four lights under the red lights. 36 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,560 One of the four was yellow, dim, maybe a window, an extremely bright bluish white 37 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,680 light on the top. 38 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,560 The object is described by Louise. 39 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,960 It was huge. 40 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,560 It covered the road and was in the fields on both sides. 41 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,440 It was a metallic gray and had a kind of a dull glow. 42 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,360 It had a dome with a white light effect to it. 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,160 It had red lights going all the way around, completely going around it and 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,360 three lights that were underneath the red lights. 45 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,320 This is the object as seen by Elaine. 46 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,920 This huge dome shaped object, it was beautiful. 47 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:11,920 I can't describe it. 48 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:16,200 There was this one huge light in the center on the bottom and it seemed like 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,840 it was focusing a beam on us. 50 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,280 Then I saw just like a search light or something. 51 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,640 It was a white blue fluorescent light. 52 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:27,880 It seemed like it was coming from underneath. 53 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,200 At the time Elaine tried to get out of the car and Mona pulled her over and 54 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,520 shut the door. 55 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,680 Then Mona got hold of the steering wheel and tried to help Louise. 56 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,200 Louise at the time was having trouble controlling the car. 57 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,480 The light from the object flooded the car, causing their eyes to burn and 58 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,400 their heads to hurt. 59 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,200 The car felt like it was being pulled backwards over speed bumps in the road. 60 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,760 Louise tried to go forward, but the car was going backwards. 61 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,040 The car was out of control. 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,360 Louise hollered for Mona to help. 63 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,880 Mona looked and saw that the speedometer was registering 85 miles an hour and 64 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,560 she told Louise to slow down. 65 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Louise showed her that her foot was not on the gas pedal. 66 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,400 These are some of the women's feelings. 67 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,960 Mona and Louise felt terrified while Elaine felt at peace. 68 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,920 When the object was behind the car, Louise saw a blue light in the rear view 69 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,960 mirror. 70 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,720 Mona saw light flash on the hood of the car. 71 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Mona and Louise thought that it was a state trooper that had pulled behind them, 72 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,080 but then they realized it was the object. 73 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,560 The very last thing that the women remembered after the light came into the 74 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,720 car was that the red light had come on on the dashboard. 75 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,920 Then, just like the snap of a finger, they were back in Houstonville. 76 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Mona said it was like something had picked us up in Stanford and set us down in 77 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Houstonville. 78 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,200 Louise was not holding onto the steering wheel. 79 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,360 The women were holding their heads. 80 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,680 A short time later, the women arrived at the trailer of Louise Smith. 81 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,880 They all wondered how they had gotten there so quickly. 82 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,200 They all felt a burning sensation on their necks. 83 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,720 They had headaches, and Mona said her eyes hurt. 84 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Once inside the trailer, the women discovered several strange things. 85 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,560 The clock in the kitchen should have showed 12, but instead it was 125. 86 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,120 They had arrived about an hour and 25 minutes later than they should have. 87 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,960 Elaine's wristwatch stopped working. 88 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,320 Louise said the minute hand on her watch was going almost as fast as the second 89 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,520 hand, and the second hand was just spinning. 90 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,440 All three of the women had burns on their necks. 91 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,400 Louise and Elaine on the back of their neck. 92 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Mona's was on the left side of her neck under her ear. 93 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,640 Mona also had a burn under her mood ring, and they said Mona's eyes were as red 94 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,400 as an albino rabbit. 95 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,520 Louise noticed a light on at her neighbors and asked Mr. 96 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,480 Lowell Lee to come over to her house. 97 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,840 The women told him what they had seen. 98 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:09,360 He saw the marks on their necks and the women's drawing of the object. 99 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,840 He remembers it was after 1 a.m. because he was watching late night TV. 100 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:19,360 The next day the women discovered the paint on the car was blistered and peeling. 101 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,680 They went back where they had bought their gas the night before and found they used within 102 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,360 eight cents worth of gas, meaning that they could not have been driving during that hour 103 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,600 and 25 minutes. 104 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Following the night of January 6, all the women experienced the same reactions. 105 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Extreme fatigue, nausea and diarrhea, all chain smote, all three women felt thirsty 106 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,000 constantly, all lost weight, and their skin burned when they shard. 107 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,240 The three women noticed personality changes. 108 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:57,240 A man who worked with Jerry at Continental Can Company had relatives who lived in Casey 109 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:01,000 County and they had given him a newspaper. 110 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,760 This man brought the newspaper into Jerry and after reading the article about the women, 111 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Jerry called Louise Smith to see if he could put their minds at ease and find out what might 112 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,880 have happened during that lost hour and 25 minutes. 113 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:19,880 At first, Louise was leery of having Jerry and two other strange gentlemen meet with 114 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,600 her and the other two ladies. 115 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,320 At that time, Jerry called and asked if I would agree to talk with Louise. 116 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,840 We're talking to Louise and promising that a woman would be there along with the gentlemen. 117 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,040 She agreed that we could come down and meet with them. 118 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:40,000 On the very first trip down when we stepped into Louise's trailer, I felt as though I 119 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,840 had known the women. 120 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,040 Later I learned the women had all three felt the same. 121 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,440 Under hypnosis, Louise remembered seeing a woman with long dark hair. 122 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,600 She felt it was me. 123 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,000 She told me she knew that it was me. 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:00,280 That even though my experience had happened in 1973 and hers happened in 1976, she was 125 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,000 sure that she had seen me aboard at the same time as herself. 126 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,760 During our first meeting, we questioned the women about their sighting. 127 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:09,920 We took notes. 128 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,480 We took blistered paint on the car. 129 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,360 We drove to the restaurant into the general area where the women first saw the object. 130 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:23,440 We took pictures of the women, trailer, car, restaurant, and the area the women had traveled 131 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,680 that night. 132 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:31,360 Our next meeting took place in March at the home of Mona Stafford's parents. 133 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:38,440 The three ladies, Mona's parents, the investigators, and Dr. Leo Sprinkle were present. 134 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:45,280 Dr. Sprinkle is the associate professor of psychology at the University of Wyoming. 135 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,680 He was there to put Mona in a light hypnotic trance to see if there was an incident warranted 136 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:54,080 any further hypnosis. 137 00:08:54,080 --> 00:09:01,960 Under hypnosis, Mona said, we was just driving along and I thought this airplane was going 138 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,480 to crash. 139 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,920 I told Lou to speed up so we could help if somebody was alive. 140 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,080 It just stopped. 141 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:15,120 It just sat there a minute and started moving. 142 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,640 It was big and it had lights around it, red. 143 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:26,600 They were rotating and it moved so slowly and it just went behind us. 144 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,040 It cut its lights off. 145 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,800 I was scared. 146 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,000 I wanted to go but Elaine wanted us to stop. 147 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,800 Mona began crying. 148 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Lou thought a steak trooper was behind us. 149 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,600 She thought he was going to help us. 150 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,800 Mona was still crying. 151 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,840 All of a sudden the car was pulled backwards. 152 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,120 I felt like we were going over something rough. 153 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Lou couldn't take care of the car. 154 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,840 I tried to help her. 155 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Elaine was trying to get out. 156 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,240 This light, all come in the car. 157 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Lou had her foot off the gas. 158 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,840 The car was registering 85 miles per hour. 159 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,280 All this light. 160 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,640 My head hurt. 161 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,480 My eyes hurt so bad. 162 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:24,720 On the weekend of July 23rd through 25th, 1976, the investigators again met with the women. 163 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,840 This time the meeting took place at the Brown Motel in Liberty. 164 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:35,480 We were joined by Mr. James Young, a detective for the Lexington Police Department and president 165 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,720 of the Kentucky Polygraph Association. 166 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,840 It was there to administer polygraph tests to the women. 167 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,600 Bob Pratt, top UFO investigator reporter for the National Enquire was there. 168 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Also, Dr. Leo Sprinkel joined us to apply two sessions of hypnosis to each of the women. 169 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:01,240 The meeting began with the women one by one taking their polygraph test. 170 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,040 The hypnosis began with Louise Smith. 171 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,880 We ate supper. 172 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,000 We sketched a picture. 173 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,640 And it was there. 174 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Louise begins to sob. 175 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,400 What is it? 176 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,520 It looks like it's going to crash. 177 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,160 God, what is it? 178 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,080 It's going behind me. 179 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,920 Louise was sobbing. 180 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,520 I don't want to look at it no more. 181 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,800 It's so bright. 182 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,360 My eyes hurt. 183 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,840 Mrs. Thomas wants me to stop, but I can't. 184 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,640 She wants to look at it. 185 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:34,920 My head hurts. 186 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,240 I can't control my car. 187 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,560 I can't control my wheel. 188 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:41,920 I asked Mona to help me. 189 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,960 I'm going 85 miles per hour, Mona. 190 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,840 I don't want to go through that gate. 191 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,200 What's wrong with my car? 192 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,000 It's going backwards. 193 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,680 Oh, God, don't let me hit that wall. 194 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,440 Where am I? 195 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,640 Louise was sobbing. 196 00:11:58,640 --> 00:11:59,960 Where am I? 197 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,680 Please, somebody help me. 198 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:02,920 Please. 199 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,240 Oh, my head. 200 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,760 Where am I? 201 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,240 I can't see. 202 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,600 It's so dark. 203 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,960 It's hot. 204 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,680 I'm burning. 205 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:13,360 Where am I? 206 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,280 Help me, Lord. 207 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:14,960 Please. 208 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Where's Mona? 209 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,520 Where's Mona? 210 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,000 Please let me see. 211 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,840 I've got to stay awake. 212 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:21,880 Can't. 213 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,200 I just can't. 214 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,880 I'm so sleepy. 215 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,200 Where is he laying? 216 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,720 I'm so sleepy. 217 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,160 I'm so sleepy. 218 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,800 I've got to stay awake. 219 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,880 Please, somebody say something. 220 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,600 My head hurts. 221 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,560 I've got to go home. 222 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:39,160 I'm so dry, so dry. 223 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,240 My mouth's so dry. 224 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,960 I just want to sleep. 225 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Louise sleeps for a few minutes. 226 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,040 I think I see some lights. 227 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,000 It looks like a streetlight. 228 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,600 It is a streetlight. 229 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,760 Thank God for a streetlight. 230 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,440 It was just a dream. 231 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,760 We're in Eustonville already. 232 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,240 How did that happen? 233 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,240 How did we get here? 234 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Dr. Sprinkle tells her to go back in memory. 235 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,560 Louise begins to cry again. 236 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:09,800 I don't want to go through that gate. 237 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,280 I can't see the gate. 238 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,520 It must be open. 239 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,920 The following is Mona under hypnosis. 240 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,440 This was their first session of regular hypnosis 241 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,680 during that month of July. 242 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:30,000 Mona, we was just driving along. 243 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,120 I thought this airplane was going to crash. 244 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,400 It was big. 245 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,240 It went behind us. 246 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,960 It cut out its lights. 247 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,600 I was scared. 248 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,160 Mona was crying. 249 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,760 Shanie. 250 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Shanie. 251 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,840 Shanie's a nickname that they called Elaine. 252 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,800 Shanie wandered out. 253 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,360 This light all come in the car. 254 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,600 Car was registered in 85. 255 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,680 Lou had her foot off the gas pedal. 256 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,240 My head hurt. 257 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,240 My eyes hurt so bad. 258 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,880 I see an eye. 259 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,200 It's kind of like a crystal. 260 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,560 Just kind of burst, you know? 261 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:15,040 Just comes back and forth to me. 262 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,760 I still see that eye. 263 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,760 It's like lights or something coming out of the eye. 264 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,800 My hand feels like it's tied down or something. 265 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,000 It's hurting. 266 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,360 It's numb. 267 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Mona's crying softly. 268 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:35,880 It's dark in that eyes with me, just like I'm in the dark. 269 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,920 I feel all by myself. 270 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,680 I just feel numb. 271 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,040 Just can't breathe good. 272 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,680 There's not air. 273 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Feels like something's up around me. 274 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,880 The air feels better. 275 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,200 Touch something. 276 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,160 Ahead. 277 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,840 Smooth. 278 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,480 I just feel like something's all around me. 279 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Feels like somebody breathing on me, the eye. 280 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,200 It's got a light in it. 281 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,680 The following is Elaine under hypnosis. 282 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,880 Elaine appeared disturbed. 283 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,480 It's all dark. 284 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,400 She was breathing deeply. 285 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,360 Something won't let me talk. 286 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,840 So frightened. 287 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,800 It's just darkness. 288 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,200 There's a weight on my chest. 289 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,600 The pain. 290 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,200 I'm lying down. 291 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,040 I'm all alone. 292 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Elaine solves. 293 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Something was pressing on my throat, like hands. 294 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,720 It's just darkness. 295 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,160 There's something wrong with my throat. 296 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,160 There's a road. 297 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:44,040 It's just all black and white, like a picture of a road. 298 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,560 It looks so foggy. 299 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,920 I can't see. 300 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,040 Can't see. 301 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,480 It's so foggy. 302 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,520 Feel all alone. 303 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,360 I just can't think. 304 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,760 Something is in my way, just blackness. 305 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,200 I can't move my feet. 306 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,600 My God, good Lord. 307 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,760 Elaine has dry sops. 308 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Why? 309 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,480 So foggy, like the cloud. 310 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,960 Like in the picture. 311 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:17,080 I just see the shadows as they pass by, just around me. 312 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,200 They won't let me see a light. 313 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,320 It was coming up over me. 314 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,520 I'm afraid to look warm. 315 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,240 I couldn't see the eyes. 316 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,280 It was a blur. 317 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,280 Somebody's close to me. 318 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,360 I'm afraid they'll hear me because they choked me. 319 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,400 They won't let me talk, feeling so tired. 320 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,960 At that time, the investigators asked Elaine, 321 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,160 did she mean that she thought like she was being choked 322 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,080 at the time of her incident and that they didn't want her 323 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,800 to talk during that time? 324 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,720 Or was she referring to right then? 325 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,640 And she told us that right then, right then, 326 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,080 that they didn't want her during the hypnosis session. 327 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,720 They didn't want her to say anymore 328 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,040 that she had said too much. 329 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,040 This is Louise's second session of Hypnosis 330 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,080 the following day. 331 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,080 Incidentally, these are only very short pieces 332 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,600 from the transcripts from the hypnosis. 333 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,160 The hypnosis, the tapes that we have at home for all sessions 334 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,640 last at roughly eight hours. 335 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,200 There's a lot of blankness on the tapes, 336 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,560 but these are just a few of the highlights 337 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,480 from each of the sessions. 338 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Louise's second session. 339 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,920 Don't want to go through that gate. 340 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,400 Shanie, where's Mona? 341 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,280 Somebody, please talk to me. 342 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Please. 343 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,640 Louise was begging. 344 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,400 I wish you wouldn't do that. 345 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,960 I'm so scared. 346 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,680 I don't want to go to sleep. 347 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,000 I've got to stay awake, feel so dry. 348 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,440 Please get it off. 349 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,360 Get it off. 350 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:58,400 It's hot. 351 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Just let me go. 352 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,000 I can't swallow. 353 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,200 Louise was sobbing heavily. 354 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,440 Let me go home. 355 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Please don't touch me. 356 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,640 Let go of my arm. 357 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,440 My mouth's so dry. 358 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,560 Louise was swallowing hard. 359 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,720 So hot. 360 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,680 Hot all over. 361 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,400 I want to go home. 362 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,360 I can't do no more. 363 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:22,840 Louise was sobbing. 364 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,480 I'm so weak. 365 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,000 I want to see you. 366 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,600 Let me see you. 367 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,240 Please, just let me see you. 368 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,320 Let me look at your eyes. 369 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,960 I can't hurt you. 370 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,440 So weak. 371 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,680 I can't get up. 372 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,960 I'm so dry. 373 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,280 So weak. 374 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,600 Let me up. 375 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,080 I won't tell. 376 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,600 I won't tell nothing. 377 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,560 I just want to see. 378 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,320 I can go home after a while. 379 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,600 I want to see. 380 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,000 I'm so weak. 381 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,760 Can't fight it no more. 382 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,840 So hot, so dry. 383 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,560 Can I go home now? 384 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,960 I want to find Mona and Shanie. 385 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,280 I want to go home. 386 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,600 So fast. 387 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,400 I'm going so fast. 388 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,880 Am I going home? 389 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,440 I see a light. 390 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,160 It is a street light. 391 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,400 It's so hot. 392 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,440 Kind of odd, like mold. 393 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,120 I can't. 394 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,120 I promised I wouldn't tell. 395 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:18,120 I can't tell. 396 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,000 Just let me go home. 397 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,840 They had my arm. 398 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,480 I don't want to tell. 399 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,640 They weren't mean. 400 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,120 They just wouldn't let me go home. 401 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:27,880 Sprinkle. 402 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,000 You'll be able to remember the events. 403 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,720 If there is any other information, 404 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,600 you'll be able to remember. 405 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,520 This is some of the things Louise had to say after hypnosis. 406 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,240 I asked to see. 407 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,600 And when they did, I didn't want to see it no more. 408 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,960 I saw a form. 409 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,360 Closed my eyes. 410 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:49,760 I was scared. 411 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,240 All alone. 412 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Didn't know what was going on. 413 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,520 It seemed I wanted to go home so bad. 414 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,520 And they told me I couldn't. 415 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,120 Then I was sleepy again. 416 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:04,040 I remember saying, I won't tell if you let me go. 417 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,400 Something told me, you can't go. 418 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,920 This is Mona's second session. 419 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,480 She had tears in her eyes as she said, it's like fire on me. 420 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,200 It's all over me. 421 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,760 I can't see. 422 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,640 Mona was sobbing. 423 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,920 I can see sky up there. 424 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,040 I'm looking up through rocks. 425 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,960 Hard to breathe. 426 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,440 Oh, my eyes. 427 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Oh, like they've been pulled out. 428 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,160 The eye purple. 429 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,760 My head hurts. 430 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:37,600 Can't see. 431 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:38,960 It's dark. 432 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,920 There's a crack in the wall. 433 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,880 It's like a web. 434 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,720 Oh, something's all over me. 435 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,120 Oh, he's coming at me. 436 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,360 All over me. 437 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:51,720 Water. 438 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,080 Like water all over me. 439 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,800 But it's not wet. 440 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,840 It's like liquid, but it's not wet. 441 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,800 My hand. 442 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,680 Something's on it. 443 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,120 That's got me down. 444 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,160 The light. 445 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,720 Oh, my foot hurts. 446 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,400 They're pulling my feet. 447 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,440 Liquid. 448 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,840 My feet. 449 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,520 Wrist. 450 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,320 My feet are bent backwards. 451 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,840 I'm going fast. 452 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,440 Oh, feet stuck on floor. 453 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,160 It's hot. 454 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,760 My neck. 455 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,760 Take it off. 456 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,920 Hurts. 457 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,960 Can't move my neck. 458 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,560 There. 459 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,720 Back. 460 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,040 Lou. 461 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,440 This was Elaine's second session. 462 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,760 It's all dark. 463 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,200 Just emptiness. 464 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,960 Dark and peaceful. 465 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,520 They were so frightened. 466 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:41,520 I wasn't. 467 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,680 Car took off like a jet. 468 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,120 It just swooped off. 469 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,160 Then it was rough. 470 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,480 So rough. 471 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,160 It seemed to be vibrating somehow, then blank. 472 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,760 It just all blotted out. 473 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,040 Just darkness. 474 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,800 For a long while, Elaine could see only darkness. 475 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520 Lou said, they're going to take us aboard. 476 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,040 I began to pray. 477 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,320 The car started vibrating. 478 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,800 Lou asked Mona to help me. 479 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,960 I can't hold it. 480 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,520 The red light on the dash. 481 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,200 The car is gone. 482 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,880 So dark. 483 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,160 There was so much pressure on my chest. 484 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,680 I couldn't talk. 485 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,760 Like a weight above my left breast. 486 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,520 A round metalboard-shaped object. 487 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Only larger. 488 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,480 So much pressure. 489 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,440 It hurt. 490 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,200 It was as though they wanted me to hush. 491 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,640 I kept struggling. 492 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,320 They won't let me breathe. 493 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,720 Pressure on my throat. 494 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,080 Tightness. 495 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,880 They talked, but no sound. 496 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,920 There were so many. 497 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,960 They kept passing the window. 498 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Window was foggy. 499 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,120 They looked about four feet tall. 500 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,200 Couldn't raise my hands. 501 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,240 I wanted to get away, feeling no need to talk. 502 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,640 Just no need. 503 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,120 Terrible fear, because I don't understand. 504 00:22:58,120 --> 00:22:59,840 They didn't care. 505 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,400 I will understand someday, but I don't know. 506 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,960 That was a small part of each of the ladies' two hypnosis 507 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,440 sessions. 508 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,520 I will try to remember some of the other things 509 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,520 that I felt were unusual about the ladies' experience 510 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,280 at the time and afterwards. 511 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,040 Mona told us that she felt like her eyes had been taken out 512 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,400 of the socket, placed on her cheek, and then replaced. 513 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,200 The ladies felt as if something had been poured over 514 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,400 their bodies. 515 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,440 They thought like a mold and then removed. 516 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,240 One of them said that when it was removed, 517 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,600 it felt like a bandaid coming off. 518 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,680 After the incident, we were told that there were several Bibles 519 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,360 that were missing. 520 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:48,200 I believe it was seven of them. 521 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,400 I'm not sure if it was all three ladies. 522 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 I know it was one in particular, but I 523 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,480 thought all three women had Bibles missing from their homes. 524 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,560 After hypnosis, when they discovered 525 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,240 where the actual abduction had taken place, 526 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,120 the ladies were terrified to go near there. 527 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:11,760 And yet, on one night, Louise had a strange compulsion 528 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,680 to go back to the place. 529 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,040 When she first was there, she had rings on her fingers. 530 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,440 And then she looked down and her rings were missing. 531 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,600 A couple of days later, I don't believe 532 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,160 it was the next day. 533 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,960 I think it was a few days later, she returned home from work. 534 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,720 And she told me that right in the center of her trailer steps, 535 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,640 it looked as if somebody had deliberately just placed them 536 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,720 very carefully in the center of the steps, there lay her rings. 537 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,880 This frightened Louise so badly that she threw her rings 538 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,960 into a creek that ran behind her trailer. 539 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,040 After the incident, all of the ladies' personalities changed. 540 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,240 For instance, Elaine began dressing more colorfully 541 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,880 and she developed a psychic ability. 542 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,640 On one occasion, after the incident, 543 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,200 we were born back down to meet with the women. 544 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,560 And a friend of mine who had heard about the case 545 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,080 asked if she could go along because she was really 546 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,120 interested to meet the women. 547 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,480 We went down to Louise's trailer. 548 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,480 There was Mona, Louise, Elaine, my friend, Jerry, and myself. 549 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,800 We were talking with the women for a while. 550 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,760 And then after a while, Elaine began 551 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,800 telling me some things about my horse. 552 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,240 And she was pretty accurate about him. 553 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,560 Then she looked at my friend and told her something 554 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,160 personal about herself. 555 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,760 My friend said, no, it isn't true. 556 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,200 And Elaine looked straight at her and said, yes, it is. 557 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,960 And my friend said, no, it isn't. 558 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,160 And Elaine said, yes, it is. 559 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,480 Elaine never did back down. 560 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,600 The most that she did was say that, well, if it isn't now, 561 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,520 it will be shortly. 562 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,000 I didn't know until a while later. 563 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,520 I hadn't seen my friend for a long time. 564 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,320 And another mutual friend, I was talking with her 565 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,760 on the telephone. 566 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,480 And she asked me something about my friend. 567 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,800 And it turned out to be the exact thing 568 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,360 that Elaine had said at Louise's home about my friend 569 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:20,400 that she had been denying. 570 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,920 And here it was true. 571 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,680 Another incident, I recall, is Elaine telling us 572 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,240 of a substance that fell out of the sky. 573 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,920 She described it as like a golden angel hair. 574 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,760 And that it had fallen out of the sky and covered her. 575 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,400 I believe that the other two ladies witnessed this. 576 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,720 And that it also fell on them. 577 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,280 I think that this possibly happened on more than one 578 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:49,920 occasion. 579 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,160 I can just remember seeing Elaine as she was telling us 580 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:53,720 about it. 581 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,200 She seemed like a little child. 582 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,800 She was very delighted as she was telling us 583 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,560 about this golden angel hair that had fallen on her. 584 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,040 Another incident that I recall, and I think is very important, 585 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,360 is one where Mona was home alone in her trailer. 586 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:17,160 Our trailer sat on the same property as her parents' home. 587 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,120 They lived very close by. 588 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:25,800 I believe it was late at night a man materialized right in Mona's 589 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,960 trailer. 590 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,880 She described him as looking like someone 591 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720 from out of the Bible. 592 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,280 She said he was wearing a long robe 593 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,920 and that he had long shoulder length red hair and a beard. 594 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,160 Both the beard and the hair had finger curls. 595 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,480 Mona was very frightened by this. 596 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,800 And she said that she felt like she needed to make contact 597 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,320 with her parents. 598 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,520 She felt if she didn't make contact 599 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,880 that she was either going to be abducted or something 600 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,720 was going to happen to her. 601 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:04,680 I don't recall exactly why she had difficulty 602 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,240 in being able to reach her parents. 603 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,200 I don't know if she meant that she couldn't get to the telephone 604 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,360 or if she wasn't getting a dial tone or something. 605 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:19,440 But in the beginning, she was having trouble making contact. 606 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,120 Eventually, she managed to call her parents on the phone. 607 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:28,960 And as she did this, the man disappeared. 608 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,440 I believe it was the next day Mona made a sketch of the man. 609 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,600 She ran us a copy and mailed it to us. 610 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:43,960 In the meantime, each time that Jerry and I went down to Kentucky 611 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,120 to check with the women and see if they had any further memory 612 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:54,280 or if they had drawn any other pictures or what have you, 613 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,200 each time that we had gone there, we took our camera 614 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,160 and we took pictures of what was happening. 615 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,680 We took a tape recorder and taped the sessions and took notes. 616 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Most of the time, we went to Louise's trailer. 617 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,760 On this particular time, for some reason, 618 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,280 I'm trying to remember if Elaine had already passed away, 619 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,320 but Elaine was not there. 620 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,640 And I believe Louise was out of state. 621 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,600 At that time, we went to Mona's trailer 622 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,360 and we brought with us pictures that we had taken 623 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,640 from the trip before. 624 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800 I did not know that besides the sketch, 625 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:42,240 Mona had also made a painting on black velvet 626 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,120 of the gentleman who had materialized in her home. 627 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,840 Mona was aware that we had pictures, 628 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,080 but I didn't tell her that at the trip before, 629 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,960 Jerry and I had stopped at the abduction site on the way home. 630 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,320 We had some pictures left on the roll of film, 631 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,840 so we each took a few pictures of each other, 632 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,840 standing in front of the wall at the abduction site. 633 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680 When we got home to my house, there were still 634 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,280 one or two pictures on the roll, so we snapped 635 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,400 the couple of pictures that were left because we were 636 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,840 anxious to get the film developed. 637 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,160 When the film was developed and we got it back, 638 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,640 we discovered that the rest of the roll of film, 639 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,920 the pictures taken earlier that day, were all clear. 640 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,080 Only the pictures taken at the abduction site 641 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,280 had little round globes or balls of light on the pictures. 642 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,240 There's one picture in particular of myself 643 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,080 where there's several of these round balls 644 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,920 or globes surrounding me. 645 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,280 And one of Jerry's pictures, there's a very, 646 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,760 in the corner of the picture, is a very predominant round 647 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,960 globe. 648 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,240 We took the pictures to the lab that 649 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,760 does the work for the drugstore in our area, 650 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,880 and we asked the gentleman if we left the negatives 651 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,800 and the pictures, if he could get back with us 652 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,280 and tell us what he thought was wrong with the pictures. 653 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,600 A few days later, we got a call to meet with him. 654 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,720 And when we got there, he told us that it appeared 655 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200 that there was nothing wrong with my camera. 656 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,040 There was nothing wrong with the roll of film. 657 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,120 It wasn't caused by the development of the film. 658 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,960 It wasn't condensation. 659 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,600 They didn't really know what caused the globes. 660 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,800 The closest thing that they could imagine 661 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:53,520 was possibly that there was an energy source that the naked 662 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,720 eye couldn't see, but that the camera had somehow picked up. 663 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,720 This had never happened to any of my pictures 664 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,960 that I've ever taken before in the past. 665 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,200 And it never happened again until several years later. 666 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440 There was an incident with another camera, 667 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,040 and then several years after that, 668 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,920 there was another incident taken with still another camera. 669 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,520 And if you're interested, I'll tell you about that later. 670 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,680 Anyway, when we took the pictures down to show Mona, 671 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,280 Jerry and I were both in for a shock. 672 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,360 As we were sitting on the couch at Mona's house, 673 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,280 roughly three or four feet in front of us 674 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,800 was the oral painting of the man who materialized hanging 675 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,760 on our wall. 676 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,360 And unlike the sketch, the painting 677 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,600 had these little round bows of light 678 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,000 or just little round white circles on the painting. 679 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,600 I didn't even realize until sometime later when someone 680 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,560 was looking, I took a picture of this oral painting, 681 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,840 and somebody happened to notice that if you look 682 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,480 at the picture of me at the abduction site where the balls 683 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,160 are surrounding me, that they form, 684 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,760 if you turn the picture around, they form almost 685 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,840 the exact pattern as Mona had put on her painting. 686 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,400 Jerry and I were dumbfounded when we first got there. 687 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,960 We just sat on the couch looking at each other. 688 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,600 We both had seen the picture, and we both 689 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,800 realized that, like, what in the world 690 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,800 are those round circles or balls doing on Mona's picture? 691 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,920 Then we looked at her and said, Mona, 692 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,800 why did you put those round circles or balls on your picture? 693 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600 And she said she didn't really know 694 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,520 that after her hypnosis session, when she sat down to paint, 695 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,000 that she didn't know what she was going to draw 696 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,480 until she was actually doing it. 697 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,240 And she had no idea as to why. 698 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,040 At that time, we showed her the pictures, 699 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,160 but there had been no mention that there 700 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,800 were any kind of dots or circles or globes or whatever 701 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,040 on these pictures. 702 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,240 Also, that same night, I happened 703 00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:24,960 to be standing in front of Mona's couch, 704 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,800 and I must have looked funny because Mona and Jerry both 705 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,760 asked me if I was all right. 706 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,080 It was just a really extremely weird sensation. 707 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,760 As I stood there, it felt like electricity 708 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,360 was going all through my body. 709 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,400 And the only thing I can remember was thinking, 710 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,160 I've got to get off of this spot. 711 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440 I don't really know why I felt like I 712 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,600 needed to get off of that spot, except for the feeling 713 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,600 of this electricity running through my body. 714 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,520 And when I sat back down, I was all right, 715 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,000 but it was just a very weird sensation 716 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,080 that I can't forget. 717 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:09,320 Another incident that happened was one night I was sleeping. 718 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,520 It's right before I divorced my ex-husband, 719 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,800 and I was in bed with my seven-year-old daughter. 720 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,160 I remember that my night habits weren't the same. 721 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,960 Normally, during the night, I get up and use the restroom 722 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,360 several times, and a lot of times I 723 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200 would stop and get a drink of pop or something 724 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,960 and get back into bed. 725 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:36,000 I usually have very vivid dreams very few times in my life. 726 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,320 And it's only been a couple of times since my incident 727 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,600 that I remember going to bed, and everything is just black. 728 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,080 And I don't get up during the night to use the restroom. 729 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,520 I don't remember having any kind of dream at all. 730 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,160 It's just a blackness. 731 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,800 This particular night, when I woke up the next day, 732 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,840 I had this really funny feeling like I haven't been here all night. 733 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,240 And it didn't make any sense to me whatsoever, 734 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:08,240 because I'm thinking, Peggy, you're crazy. 735 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,080 You had to be here all night. 736 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,560 You went to bed with your seven-year-old daughter. 737 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,040 You woke up in bed, like, where else would you be? 738 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,880 And the other thought that was on my mind as I was waking up, 739 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,840 I had two thoughts. 740 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,600 One, I haven't been here all night, 741 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,800 and the second one was everybody who's been abducted has a mark. 742 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,560 And I don't know what kind of mark. 743 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,840 The only thing in my mind is, as I kept thinking of this 744 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,680 throughout the day, was possibly like a birthmark or something. 745 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,160 But I didn't know what kind of mark. 746 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,160 In the meantime, Jerry had called. 747 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:49,840 And I told him about this feeling, this very strong feeling, 748 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,080 a feeling that I hadn't been home all night. 749 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,400 So we talked for a little while, and he hung up. 750 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,840 Later that day, Jerry was talking to Louise. 751 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,320 And she asked him, she said, Jerry, is Peggy all right? 752 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,280 And he said, yeah, I just talked to her a while ago. 753 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,320 Why? 754 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,320 And she says, door in the night. 755 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560 And somehow, I think that it was like 2 o'clock in the morning 756 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,880 or something that she had told him. 757 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,960 But anyway, door in the night, she 758 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,640 insists that she saw me standing at the foot of her bed. 759 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,160 Do I believe it happened? 760 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:24,960 I don't know. 761 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,280 All I know is that it wasn't my normal sleep routine, 762 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,920 and that Louise insists that I was standing 763 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,040 at the foot of her bed. 764 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:41,160 Probably the incident that was really the most unusual concern 765 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,240 in the whole case, again, involves Elaine Thomas. 766 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,120 I was pregnant with my little girl that passed away, 767 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,560 and I received a telephone call from Elaine. 768 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,480 During this call, Elaine told me, 769 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,440 it's going to look like I'm dead, 770 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,680 but they're coming back to get me. 771 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,400 I was very uncomfortable with this call, 772 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,880 because over the period of time, I 773 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,680 had become very close with these ladies. 774 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,720 And it made me sad when she said that she was going to be dead. 775 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:22,920 So hindsight, I wish that I had questioned her more about it. 776 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:28,160 Shortly after she said it, I changed the subject. 777 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,840 The feeling that I got when she said it 778 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,280 was going to look like she was dead, 779 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,640 I took it to mean that possibly she 780 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,760 was going to be in a car accident, that possibly they 781 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,480 would find the car, but not her body. 782 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,880 I really had no idea what she meant. 783 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,600 I really didn't think it was going to happen. 784 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,720 And I'd give anything if I could do it again, 785 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,960 and there are so many questions I would have asked her. 786 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,920 Three months after this phone conversation, Elaine was dead. 787 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,080 Elaine was dead under very mysterious circumstances. 788 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,280 Outwardly, she was given every indication 789 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,760 of having a massive heart attack. 790 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,240 Elaine was rushed to the hospital. 791 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:22,080 They performed all the tests that you 792 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,600 would when a person's having a heart attack. 793 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 All of her tests came back normal. 794 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,040 I believe the first time that this happened to her, 795 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,440 I think they kept her in the hospital for a week. 796 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,720 At the end of the week, the doctor 797 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,520 couldn't find anything wrong with her heart. 798 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,240 So he sent her home with some nerve medicine. 799 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,680 He couldn't figure out what else was wrong with her. 800 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,360 So Elaine was home, I think, roughly a week. 801 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,040 And again, all the outward symptoms 802 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,560 of having a massive heart attack came on again. 803 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,920 Again, she was rushed to the hospital. 804 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,800 Again, she was given the test. 805 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,400 The test came back normal. 806 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:13,080 I believe at this time, she was put into intensive care. 807 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,240 During her time in intensive care, 808 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,840 Mona had combined a visitor. 809 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,320 And Mona told us that Elaine told her, Mona, 810 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,120 it really did happen to us. 811 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,880 You've got to make them believe it really did happen. 812 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,880 I believe that Elaine was next moved into a semi-private room. 813 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,320 Early that day, Elaine vomited something 814 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,040 with a heavy orally substance to it. 815 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,240 The nurses disposed of it and marked it on her chart. 816 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,720 Later that day, when the doctor came in, 817 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:54,320 he told us that he asked Elaine if she had had anything 818 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,840 with a heavy orally base to it, anything 819 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:05,520 like castor oil, mineral oil, olive oil, any type of heavy oil. 820 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,800 And Elaine told him no. 821 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,640 He told Jerry that he had wished if he 822 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,760 would have known that she was going to die that night, 823 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,880 that this hadn't been disposed of, 824 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,760 he would have liked had it analyzed. 825 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,320 Later that day, before Elaine passed away, 826 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,480 a ball of light had come into her room. 827 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,560 And this ball of light was bouncing around the room. 828 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,600 And the other patient that was in the room with Elaine 829 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,360 must have left out a holler or a scream or something 830 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,040 because it got the nurses' attention. 831 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,160 And she told us that she did see the ball of light. 832 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,040 But while the light was there, and I guess it was terrifying, 833 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,680 the other patient in the room, Elaine said to her not to worry. 834 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,000 It's just them. 835 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,280 They've come back for me. 836 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,320 Later that same night, Elaine left this world. 837 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,000 How she left it, we don't really know 838 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,360 because as far as the doctor's concerned, 839 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,600 he don't think that she really had a heart attack. 840 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,840 He don't really think that she died from a heart condition. 841 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,760 But her husband and her mother didn't 842 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,080 allow an autopsy to be performed. 843 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,160 And the doctor said he had to write something down 844 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,320 on the death certificate. 845 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,280 So he went ahead and wrote heart attack. 846 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,520 But he didn't really feel like it was a normal heart attack. 847 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,400 But here are two short statements 848 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,840 from two different newspapers concerning Elaine's death. 849 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:52,080 One from the Casey County News says, cause of death, uncertain. 850 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,680 Did Elaine Thomas, as many people believe, 851 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,240 die from a heart attack? 852 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,680 Maybe, maybe not. 853 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,480 The doctor in Somerset, where Elaine was taken for chest pain, 854 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,080 said he couldn't figure it out, said her husband. 855 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,960 He thought at first it was a heart attack, 856 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,160 but later he was uncertain. 857 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,640 The pains would come back later, 858 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,160 causing Otis to remember something he'll never forget. 859 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,240 She mentioned sharp pains in her chest 860 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,400 and said she couldn't breathe. 861 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,680 He said it was the exact same description she gave the night 862 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840 she was taken up in the UFO. 863 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,200 I really didn't pay much attention to it at the time. 864 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,520 But the description she gave the National Inquire 865 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,880 under hypnosis described her to a T when she complained 866 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,800 about her chest pains. 867 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,520 By me reading that inquire article, 868 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000 it brought back to me the way she acted the night she died. 869 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,920 It made me think there could have been something to it. 870 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,800 The second newspaper statement came from Mona. 871 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,920 Mona, who was with Elaine during her final days, 872 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,160 doesn't believe it was her trouble to kill Elaine. 873 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,200 Her throat and chest hurt or something terrible. 874 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,120 At night, she said blinding lights came at her 875 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,600 from all sides and she heard the voices 876 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,920 of the aliens speaking to her. 877 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,320 She told me, people are gonna say I died, 878 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,760 but that won't be true. 879 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,040 Only my body is going to die. 880 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,360 They're going to take my spirit with them. 881 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,320 Times when we wanna give up, 882 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,240 this is the main case that keeps Jerry and I struggling 883 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:29,120 to try to find out just what is the answer to UFOs. 884 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,520 As you know, from the other night, 885 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,640 we both have our own separate opinions. 886 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,920 I think Jerry's starting to lean a little bit my way, 887 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,840 but this is the case. 888 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,120 Anytime that you feel like you wanna just give up 889 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,680 and not care anymore about what UFOs are 890 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,320 or what it's all about, you remember this case 891 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,560 and you feel like you gotta keep going 892 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,800 and you gotta keep trying to find out what the answer is. 893 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,400 One of the last things that I'll say, 894 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,360 and I apologize for talking so long, 895 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,880 is that back when I first married Jerry, 896 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,600 I became very curious as to why some people 897 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,600 had very close encounters and or missing time. 898 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,240 It seemed like there must be some common denominator. 899 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:21,760 When I first married Jerry, he used to say 900 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,760 that somebody was in the wrong place at the wrong time 901 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,680 and I just really didn't feel this and I keep saying, 902 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,360 I don't think so Jerry. 903 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,800 I think that you must be chosen or picked or whatever. 904 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,520 And taking many, many reports over the years 905 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,800 along with Jerry and talking to many, many people, 906 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,800 I began asking them after I took the report, 907 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,720 I asked them like, what were their interests? 908 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,680 Did they have any hobbies? 909 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,560 I tried to get a feel of the person. 910 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,560 What I discovered was that everybody who had missing time 911 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,080 are very close encounter, at least in all the cases 912 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,320 that I talked to. 913 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,520 Number one, they weren't the type of people 914 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,280 that were real hard-nosed like I'm from Missouri 915 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,880 and I don't believe unless you show me or prove it to me. 916 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,120 They weren't Dought and Thomas's. 917 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,120 They seem to be sensitive people, 918 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,080 people that were sensitive to the things around them. 919 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,760 That was one thing. 920 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,320 Second, they all, everybody that I ever talked to 921 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,320 had a belief in God, not to the point of being fanatical, 922 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,320 but I never talked to anybody who claimed 923 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,320 to be an atheist and had a missing time 924 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,360 or a very close encounter. 925 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,800 The third common denominator is the creative ability. 926 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,520 Over and over, I heard people express 927 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,440 that they were interested in writing, they were artists, 928 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,280 they worked with crafts, they were involved in drama, 929 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,640 they played music, not the least of which 930 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,360 were ladies in Kentucky. 931 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,360 All three ladies were very accomplished artists. 932 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120 Louise Smith also wrote poetry. 933 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,760 When we were there, she gave us a small booklet, 934 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,240 excuse me, a small booklet of poems that she had written 935 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,900 and she also played piano and played the guitar. 936 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,320 You see this just over and over in our own UFO support group 937 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,080 were very often surprised by one of the members coming 938 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040 and bringing either some artwork that they did 939 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,920 or an elderly gentleman who has carved 940 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,240 just absolutely fantastic canes. 941 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:46,360 It's just, you would never even picture 942 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,480 any of these people having the ability to do this 943 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,480 and yet this creative ability just seems to come up 944 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,200 over and over again. 945 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,200 I neglected to say that when the ladies 946 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,720 had their polygraph tests, they all passed the test 947 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,520 with flying colors. 948 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,520 Jerry said, you might be interested to know 949 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,400 that the gentleman who gave the polygraph tests 950 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,320 to the women died roughly two years later, 951 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,080 he had a rare blood disease. 952 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,360 He just thought that was kind of interesting. 953 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,840 Also, we'd like to let you know that we have many, 954 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,040 many documents including Louise's car had to be taken 955 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,080 for repair shop for the electrical system 956 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,840 the following days, but we had in monowint to the eye doctor, 957 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,840 we have copies of the bills for all of their things, 958 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,160 all kinds of documents, all kinds of pictures, 959 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,560 some tape recordings of different things, 960 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,840 all of the hypnosis session, we have tapes of that. 961 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,280 So I wanna thank you for listening to this tape 962 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,400 and I hope that the information helps you some. 963 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:58,240 Thanks.